R5, same idea as R4. Minor nitpick. Otherwise he gets stopped by the big guns of Marvel who are multiversal++ like TOAA, The Beyonders (the race), The Fulcrum, Tiamut, Protege, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, Scathan, The Living Tribunal, Heart of the Universe Thanos, etc. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. The. Juntai. You can't be above him. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Kitsunw. 2,459 485. If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters hereYamcha vs The One Above All, Madoka Kaname, The Presence and Galactus. 2. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. Ok, this is what I thought. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. 1. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. Follow 331. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Look stuff up for it. deactivated-629d3023b5b49. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Juntai. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. The only. 8 years ago lettsplay10Doom fucking killed them all and banned the word Beyonder from Marvel Comics and the fact that ban hasn't been kept is disappointing. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. Master Chief, Guts, Captain America, Batman, Aragorn, Geralt, Levi and Black Noir vs. Saying that Beyonder is stronger than TOAA is literally trying to say that Beyonder is above omnipotence. Other abstract entities, including Death and Eternity, have similarly confirmed that TOAA is Above all other beings in the cosmic hierarchy in the Multiverse. 3080. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. 6. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). 2. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. 56 results. he is omnipresent. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. 56 results. Victory Conditions: Death, KO. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. 8 years ago. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. Man-Thing Divine Creator's Staff 6. TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. It was said that she is the spark of creation. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Job Burke 4. #33 Edited By The_Scourge. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Far from Beyonder levels. Sppople. NULL_Terrorist. given TOAA's omnipotence is dependent on certain factors he's not a true omnipotent and doesn't have better feats than pre recton Beyonder, so being toaa or not wouldn't matterIs the Beyonder's anti-feat considered and do we take "omnipotence" at face value? Is Above All Others considered to be the same character as The One Above All, giving this entity an anti-feat? For the most part, I'd say TOAA is even beyond The Pre-Retcon Beyonder, but I can see arguments for why this isn't the case, or arguments for them. Beyonder is on the level with The Spectre who takes orders for the presence. Neutral these battles dont make sense. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. beyonder Yep, lol. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. Boobster. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. . They’re both fairly obvious picks. u/nullfather can attest to that. s. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. Beyonder would be stomped. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. Even The. . So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. 9 years ago. He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. TOAA also exists outside the comic as the writer and. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. Advertisement Coins. Didnt the latest showing of TOAA makes it clear that HOTU was a small portion of TOAA's power? I say the Beyonder still wins, only TOAA can defeat him. You need to be logged in to post comments. It is as Cosmic Reign says. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. 33. 9 years ago. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. 3 The Beyonder. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. First it introduced us to the Avengers Infinity stones saga, which ended with Avengers Endgame and now i. Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. Beyonder is beyond the universe. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. I dunno. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). Follow 1. Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. Reviews: 0. I'm talking about the original version, a Tier 0 character. and he isn't omniscience. 567. Toaa 2. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. Beyonder - Millions of times as powerful as the Multiverse combined, but almost dies from being hit by The Phoenix Force and the sum of the Multiverse, proving his base self can't sustain that. " im sick of Beyonder. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. . Since it's Lt's job to guard the marvel omniverse, and the beyonder discovers the Marvel Universe today, would the LT have the power to stop the Classic Beyonder? As if the LT had never met the Classic. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. m99. Round 1: In character Round 2: Blood lusted. This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. and it can be said so is spectre. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. -5. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Originally there was a purpose behind the Beyonder. Nope. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. 1. No one can defeat that. Followers. . The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence 2. a god in the naruto verse is a microbe against a beyonder whom gods (aka the abstracts) in marvel verse fear. 1. 1. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. TOAA will absolutely win as he represent the writers/Stan Lee/Jack Kirby but its interesting to note how similar origin is Primal/Over monitor & Pre recton Beyonder is , Beyonder was million times. 0. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. No . Further to that point, the Pre ret Beyonder buy his own admission could be affected by the power of the M'kraan crystal. Team 1: The Beyonders. That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time. Pre Retcon Beyonder. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. . Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Definitely Beyonder. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. He is True Omnipotent inside. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. Team stomps 50% . it would be mostly stalemate. PR Beyonder, TOAA. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. Beyonder > Odin> Galactus>Thanos> Onslaught. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. #3 CF12793. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Toba Hulk 7. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. TOAA is omnipotent. This being, LT is the physical representation of the Will of God, nothing. 4. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. Reply. 1%. bunker_man • 2 mo. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Dude’s absolutely broken. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. TOAA mops the floor with these two. So I might be missing something. 11 years ago. TOAA is above all. It was implied that Beyonder was nothing more than a "child-unit" of the beyonder's race. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. If he was defeated then he’s not the. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. -Everything in bleach. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). Knowledge of the other character/verse: No prior knowledge of each other. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. 5 years ago. Register Sign in. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. ago. I think the idea. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. The Glory: description and feats. No one is that powerful. and it's the rules of the. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. s. s. We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. If by classic beyonder you mean the most powerful version, then its a stalemate. The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. Marvel had two God's, then changed to One Above. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. So if you have proof of this go to the content revision section. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. Thanos w HOTU and PR BeyonderVSLTWhite Crown of PhoenixEternityZero-Hour ParallaxObvilianDeathAdam Warlock w IGAbraxasGalactus with the Ultimate NuffiThe PM is basically a rip off of what classic Beyonder was. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. Beyonder might have more impressive feats. 8 years ago. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. Juntai. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . He was even above and beyond the writing staff . 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. Here is the NEW Presence vs TOAA thread. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. 168. Forum Posts. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. This. And such a thing as "above omnipotence" doesn't exist. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. beyonder Yep, lol. 2. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, along with all other supreme deities in comics (Presence, TOAA, MoM, Thanos with HOTU, etc. 5 years ago. Goku dying of old age is a valid win condition for Darwin or vice versa if that can happen. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Yeah All Mighty Wins. Beyonder Doom 14. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. TOAA is the creator of the multiverse and everyone and everything in it, including the Beyonders. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Wiki Points. TOAA > PM Grant Morrison avatar from Animal Man #26 = TOAA Its not a rip-off if the later one is better written. Blunt statement, and based on common misconception. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. both teams have omnipotent. 7 years ago. TOAA isn't omnipotent. . Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. They are not beyonders and are instead a subservient race for them, ala the Mapmakers or the Sidera Maris and so on. No prep for either. I think Darwin will take it 7/10 since you removed the "flight" option of fight or flight. 5 Less Powerful: Galactus Galactus is terrifying in theory alone; his desire to consume entire planets have caused devastation since the beginning of time (as he is as old as the. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. While Beyonder has the power of Marvel writers. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. 3 years ago. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. Jayfournines. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @King Saturn: Chuck worships GOAG not TOAA All thought he maybe reffered to as TOAA and is the true OAA " TOAA can be referred to as the GOAG though. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know,. Yeah All Mighty Wins. I build with many hands. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. Supergirl and Kal-L in COIE, SBP in SCW, etc. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Forum Posts. Khael. 0) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. Forum Posts. If we however assume that Johnny isn't just above Deku and Bakugo where Deku and Bakugo. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. ago. .